4. Results of crossbreeding (en)
ByWe have seen so far, that once created by a well defined process, a living being is classified in a race box, in a species box, in a genus box, according to the DNA that he inherited more or less from both parents. More or less, because, as explained in 1. (Creation), if both parents transmit to their children their nuclear DNA, only the mother transmits her mtDNA. The example was in humans, but it is the same for all animals.
For this study, we are forced to start with a purely biological analysis on human beings and living beings related to them. This analys will help us to better understand who we are and where we came from, and any complications that we have. Since this is the aim of “preliminary considerations”, we continue with the animal example, to understand the concepts bound to the “boxes” in which are placed the animals, including humans.
If the “genus box” seems untouchable, the « species box » and the « race box » seem to overlap, since the definition which is supposed to characterize them is distorted.
Mixing between species or between races is against nature because it does not exist without the hand of human, except under extreme conditions. Regarding the case of the mule, for example, and contrary to preconceived ideas, it is difficult to breed a mare and a donkey, whio can in many cases be left alone and not sterilized without seeking sexual contact.
However, these crosses are possible, and provide products partially or fully fertile in many cases.
Regarding the mule or hinny:
“The mule (female sometimes fertile/male always sterile) is the result of the mating of a donkey and a mare. The hinny (female sometimes fertile/male always sterile) is the result of the mating of a horse and a donkey.”
http://www.asinerie.net/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=1560
We will now focus on the products of this hybridization.
How are they? How do they develop? How do they support the presence of two sometimes conflicting DNA?
a. Physical and psychological problems.
The liger and the tiglon are probably the two most amazing. The liger (male lion x female tiger) is a giant (400kg), because it obtains a gene from her lion father which pushes his cub to grow as much as possible and become strong, without a lioness mother, which has a gene which reducer size, otherwise she could not give birth to her cub, or feed naturally.
A gene which amplifier growth in a female tiger that was not planned for this one creates a enormous cub, which continues to grow throughout his life, consuming about 20 to 25 kg of raw meat a day, with specific dietary needs, bad agility and various bone problems. It also causes for the tigress an increased need for Caesarean section, which is of course impossible in nature.
If C-section does not occur, it result in death of the mother and / or the newborn in the worst case, or cause various deformities and injuries during birth.
Note also that it comes from this breeding many spontaneous abortions or unviable embryos and newborns.
The lion is a social animal, and tiger is solitary, because of that have the liger or tigon behavioral disorders, they are often whimsical and depressive.
http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/liger-facts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felid_hybrid
As for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and Saarloos, breed of dog from a recent hybrid between dog (German Shepherd) and gray wolf, the problems are present, although domestication has this advantage that it adapts to that which are domesticated. This dog does not bark. He is shy and dislikes cities, foreigners, noise, change. It is more social than the dog and an absolute need of a family while he recognizes as his pack. If he is alone a while, he will feel bad and destroy what he found, or will even self-harm. He will avoid conflicts with strangers and other dogs if he can, and will only attack if it is really necessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarlooswolfhond
b. Sexual behavior
Below the variety of genetic complications: physical and psychical, hybrids change their sexual behavior and ability, and this is an important component of hybridization, because if it changes the individual, it may also lead to a severe genetic and sexual transformation of the entire species.
It is reported several cases of hyper sexualisation in hybrids, especially in the hybrid between pig and boar (cochonglier in french) or hybrid between goat and sheep named chabin in french, perhaps to rebalance the bad fertility (?). If individuals are infertile or sterile hybrid, yet they are however sexually active or too active – in contrast to individuals artificially sterilized, who does not. For example it is common to castrate the male mules, although they are sterile, because of their disruptive behavior in presence of female donkeys or mares.
“An unusual case of hybridization of sheep and goats has been reported by veterinarians in Botswana in 2000. The animal, called chabin, had been born naturally from the crossing of a ram and a goat who cohabited.
This hybridization was intermediate between the sheep and goats. The animal had a woolly down under a rough coat, long goat legs and a massive sheep body. Although he was steril, he had a very active libido, and mated with either the sheep and the goats when they were not in heat, which earned him the name of Bemya, which means rapist. He was castrated at the age of 10 months because it was becoming a problem. “
http://actualites.ca.msn.com/galeriedephotos.aspx?cp-documentid=25791345&page=8
Another link on the hybrid x ram goat (female fertility, male sterility):
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1297-9686-20-3-379.pdf
c. Loss of seasonal anestrus in the species of the northern hemisphere.
“Le sanglichon ( sanglochon ) ou cochonglier est un hybride, issu du croisement d’un porc et d’une laie ou d’un verrat et d’une truie. L’hybridation sanglier/porc domestique donne des femelles plus prolifiques.?Le produit du croisement porc domestique et sanglier est dit interfécond,
Il est le témoin d’une pollution génétique et est à éliminer en priorité !
Chez les hybrides, un certain nombre de signes ne trompe pas : la robe est plus claire ou bigarrée ( aux couleurs variées ) avec parfois des taches claires, roses ou blanches.
Le corps est cylindrique, le dos plat et horizontal, avec souvent des poids vifs importants alors que notre sanglier de race pure a le dos bosselé et incliné vers un arrière-train plus mince que l’avant-train..?
Les membres sont plus courts. Notre sanglier de souche pure est haut sur pattes. La queue est souvent en tire-bouchon. Les oreilles sont plus larges et parfois tombantes.Le boutoir est large et court, parfois marqué de taches claires.
Le crâne est plus plat et sans stop marqué.
Les onglons des jeunes hybrides peuvent être blancs.
Nos marcassins ont des sabots noirs.?
Le poids des hybrides et leur vitesse de croissance sont nettement supérieurs aux souches de race pure.
Un hybride mettra moins d’un an pour atteindre les 50 à 60 kilos d’une bête de compagnie d’au moins un an et demi.
Les femelles hybrides perdent cet anoestrus d’été, si caractéristique de la race pure, et sont plus prolifiques.
Female hybrids lose this summer anestrus, so characteristic of the pure race, and are more prolific.
Il faut savoir que le porc domestique possède 38 chromosomes, alors que le sanglier n’en possède que 36.”
http://www.chasseacrw.be/Gibier/Sanglier04.asp
The anestrus is the period wheen the female animal is not receptive to sexual stimulation, or mating, a long period without ovulation. Wild mammals in the northern hemisphere have a seasonal anestrus which is placed in the calendar according to their length of their gestation, so they do not can give birth in autumn and winter.
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/anœstrus
The animals in the tropics and subtropics do not have this seasonal anestrus and their sexual cycles extend over the entire year.
If we take the example of the sheep, there are differences in the races themselves, according to the habitat where the race comes from. Queue fine de l’Ouest sheep, and Noire de Thibar, both from the northern hemisphere have a seasonal anestrus from February to July, while the Barbarine from Tunisia sheep, and the PeulhduNiger sheep, who come from the southern hemisphere, do not.
http://ressources.ciheam.org/om/pdf/c06/95605382.pdf
Among the wild big cats:
Seasonal anoestrus: Tiger (Southeast Asia), snow leopard or Ounce (Asia), Pallas cat (Asia)
Without seasonal anoestrus: Lion (Africa), leopard (Africa, South Asia), puma (South America), cheetah (Africa), ocelot (South America)
The anestrus – known among women under post-partum (with breast-feeding) -, control birth in the hot season, and increases competition among males. In a wolf pack, the alpha male will be more aggressive during the estrus (fertile period) and will exclude other males who also try to mate with he alpha female and will challenge the hierarchy.
The anoestrus may be lost in the process of domestication in two ways:
It can be artificially “hidden” in an animal that has it in its genes. This happens among horse breeders, who submit the mare to a strong light to artificially increase the length of day and disrupt her internal clock. It is important to note that this is not so simple and requires to be rigorous with the dates, specific lighting power, otherwise the mare will be normally infertile. The mare returns to estrus / anestrus seasonality when the artificial lighting system stops.
It can also disappear at intense crossbreeding (cow, dog, pig), especially with species from the southern hemisphere (The pig is native to Asia Minor, this may be the case of the sow), who doesn’t have any anestrus system.
Natural selection by competition becomes less and less important, the products of the females will be too many and weaker, and unable to survive in the wild in the northern hemisphere.
The anestrus causes possibly less productive reproduction, but the products are able to survive in the wild.
Conclusion
Crosses between species produce partially fertile hybrids (in most cases: fertile female, sterile male). However, in addition to the high mortality of these products, survivors show many disorders of all styles:
Physical disorders: incompatibility with the mother in childbirth, genetic abnormalities.
Eating disorders
Psychological disorders
Social disorders
Communicative disorders
Disorders of natural camouflage (pizzly, cows, appaloosa horses, dogs, cats, pigs…)
Self-harm
Infertility and loss of seasonal anoestrus
Sexual behavior disorders
These various problems prevent the hybrid or hybrid offspring to survive in the wild. He is forced to become and remain a domesticated animal, if he wants to survive…
Atala - A journey to the Golden Age by Marie Cachet 
Seems that the beginning of section c is still mostly in French (except one sentence). I’m not sure if it’s meant to be this way, so I just wanted to point it out. Thanks.
Yes, I had translated only a sentence of this quotation, because the rest was relatively less important, but I should have shown it more clearly. Thank you.
I have never thought of cross breeding this way before there is so much that can go wrong and people always think they can fix everything with a pill or a program and it ends up even more messed up my children and I all have large heads blonde hair green/blue eyes large livers type o- blood and the women have trouble giving birth right back 4 generations our pelvises are small for such big babies if not for medical intervention none of us would be here. to me it sounds like what happened in your video. would it ever be possible to come and talk some time if we come to Norway?
Yes, the size of the babies, but especially their head relative to mother’s pelvis size is still a problem, and has been a problem throughout history. Many women and children died in childbirth before the invention of cesarean section. The gestation differ between races: 38 to 39 weeks for Africans, 39 to 40 for Asians, and 41 to 42 for Europeans in North. Babies are the biggest in Scandinavia. It is fat of course, since babies in Europe must survive a cold climate, but this is also true for the head circumference, which is on average larger on European babies.
Beauty criteria of the African woman are not based on the width of the pelvis, while it is the case in Europe, where the waist / pelvis rapport is very important.
It is important to note that the development of the head is at least as important as head size at birth, and it is possible that this is a kind of solution in evolution.
Children with autism grow on average a larger head, by the way…
That’s weird, one of the kids does have autism why does that mean a larger head, what is the connection?
Does he have Asperger syndrom/high functionning autism?
I find it very hard to believe that fair Europeans were EVER mixed with Africans whatsoever. You may call your “theories” correct, but you forgot one simple fact. Your husband is CONSTANTLY a walking contradiction of himself. This is the FIRST time I’ve ever seen him provide evidence for his racist ideologies(so I applaud you, Marie, for at least providing evidence). I’m not saying that interbreeding is good for us, but more theories based on this would have to surface for me to believe that modern races are not the same species as opposed to them just having common ancestors. Also, as a brown-haired, green-eyed European, am I really supposed to accept the “fact” that I cannot practice Celtic Paganism, nor can I go to the afterlife, and I’m not as beautiful or smart as fair Europeans(I’m partially fair myself) just because of my appearance, as opposed to the content of my character? I personally think that fair European women are gorgeous, but that European men with darker features(specifically brown hair and green eyes like myself) look better than men with lighter features(and yes, I’m heterosexual, just my opinion). I guess you could say I think brown hair and green eyes makes European men look more manly and blonde hair and blue eyes makes women look more effeminate and/or delicate. Believe me when I tell you that I have above average looks, and that I very smart(I even have that “math bump” on the back of my head). The Rigsthula, although noticeably racist, has no accurate interpretations, and therefore, should not be the entire basis of your husband’s beliefs that we are blond-haired and blue-eyed. Maybe Neanderthals were fair in appearance, but we’ll NEVER know for sure. Pagans should focus more on living in harmony than wasting their lives on worrying about which race is better than the others. Even if we were originally fair, even if Jews really did convince people to start interbreeding, you think the Neanderthals would have known that? Judaism is not as old as the Neanderthal, contrary to Kristian’s(my mom named me after St. Patrick, does that mean I have to be a Christian?)beliefs. Neanderthal has been around since the time religion first came into being, and if they really went down to Africa during the Ice Age, they interbred before they even supposedly knew that interbreeding was bad for us. Beauty has always been in the eye of the beholder; the myth that blond-hair blue-eys was desirable is a christian myth, not a Pagan one. Just like the Jews, they are trying to undo what our ancestors(i.e. Neanderthals) did(supposedly mixing with Africans). I know this because Jews are opposed to everything that Pagans did or do(i.e. ALL science is evil, blond-hair blue-eyes is the desired trait, they are trying to make non-christians hate themselves, etc).
Bonjour Madame Cachet! My name is Edna, I am 23 years of age, and I have two questions regarding nationality and mental illness which I believe you may be able to answer.
My heritage is (without percentage): British, French, Swiss-German, Irish, Yugoslavian, and Italian (from Italy not Sicily). Would I still be considered a member of the White race? My skin is naturally pale, yet I have dark brown wavy hair, and brown eyes. This is one of my two questions.
My second question is: Does same race nationality mixing (half British and half French, for example) cause an increase of a risk for certain mental illnesses?
I’m asking these questions because I find this topic interesting.
So what your saying is that a brown-haired and green-eyed European such as myself is not only messed up because I’m supposedly racially mixed AND I can’t be a Pagan? Vikernes constantly contradicts himself(i.e. blacks are inferior, but there’s no hatred for others in Odalism, don’t have sex before marriage, even though I have an illegitimate daughter who was born in 1993, and, Heimdallr created the “Thralls”, but in reality, we migrated to Africa during the Ice Age). You guys are trying to explain something that will NEVER be explained, even by religion, and therefore, in reality, Vikernes is the bad “Pagan”, not me, because I don’t try to explain everything, which is one of the number one rules for ALL Pagans. I’m a Celtic Pagan, and although I may agree with some of Vikernes’ theories, he sounds more like a neo-nazi to me using religion as an easy way to abuse racism. All Nordics are filthy, ugly blond-haired, blue-eyed barbarians, something that Plato agreed with, and he was a Pagan philosopher, even though your weak, old, ugly husband says that philosophers didn’t exist during that time due to Christianity. Italians were
More creative than Nordics, and Celtics were superior in every way to Nordics, and even Plato believed darker featured Mediterraneans were superior to Nordics based on skin color. The Thule Society’s beliefs had no sort of accurate interpretations to back up their
master race. Vikernes is not grey-eyed like the Rigsthula states, he’s just blue-eyed. Men look butt-ugly with Nordic features, just look at him when he dressed like Vidkun Qisling, he looks like he just came out of someone’s ass. He’s so feeble and imperfect, it’s hard to believe that those features were thought of as attractive in Pagan times. You’re wasting your time on this barbarian(Vikings look ridiculous and they’re uncivilized theives).
Hey, just throwin this out there, I’m about 50 50 celt and nordic, and saying you hate his race purely because he hates your race is lowering yourself to their level. Ridicule them for their stupidity, their complete lack of understanding of human genetics, their inaccurate speculations, but don’t make fun of them for being nordic.
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Ok, so I made it partway through this after stumbling upon it and I have to say, you seem to use a lot of words with no meaning.
First, comparing mixing the “races” (Which by the way are a non scientific label) with cross species hybridization is absurd, the donkeys and horses have a chromosomal difference but are compatible enough to produce offspring with help and with the results being generally sterile. The differences between the “races” Isn’t because of anything like that. it is simply inherited physical differences based on environmental adaptations.
Race is the equivalent of different colored cats, they are all cats but have adapted different colors and instincts to match their environment. It doesn’t make one any better than the other.
Furthermore, genetically speaking since you seem to think yourself knowledgeable in the subject, it is preferable to mix races at least somewhat because you are allowing for offspring suited to both environments. Not mixing enhances defects in the gene pool. Hitler’s program of making “pure breed germans” was an utter failure producing mostly average and below average results.
Our ancestors (I’m about 50 50 norse and scottish, so yes OUR ancestors) had no problem mixing genetics and in fact benefited from doing so. If you think norse or celt genes are better than other races, it is probably because if you look at norse or celt DNA you find that they are EXTREMELY mixed. The norse were a conquering people, they had a vast empire and had wives of every flavor. Those wives would have mixed offspring and add to the NORSE genetic pool. So, if your argument were in any way true, you would be arguing against yourselves.
Ok, so I have to comment again because honestly I’m hoping you’ll do more with this than just hit delete.
Each racial difference is the result of an adaptation to the environment around that group of people. This means that those adaptations are strengths. Darker skin prevents sunburn, lighter eyes see better in colder climates, these are genetically inherited strengths. Taking two specimens with different strengths can either A) Make a product that is stronger and healthier or B) Make a product that is unsuited for their environment. It is a genetic lottery. The result is good or bad. Taking two specimens without differing genes has only one result- stagnation. Those genes will over develop, degrade, flaws will intensify, and those specimens will die out. Our species as a whole would never have become anything more than upright primates had they not mixed genetics, changed environments migrating, changed diets, etc. What we currently see as good traits of humanity are mutations from the past that were carried on by mixing genetics with others without those mutations. Preventing the mixing of genes is preventing evolution. I honestly doubt I can reason with you in any way, but thought I’d try.